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I've had my HTC Desire for about eighteen months now. Probably a little longer. It's not strictly necessary to upgrade or replace it, but there are some rather shinier toys out there now, and I'm the kind of guy who winds up thinking about it a lot.

My new gig -- which I start in a couple of weeks -- includes a phone as part of the package. Not sure exactly what models are available, just that they have "some pretty nice" smartphones on the list, including some Android models. It's a telco, and I can make a reasonable guess that the options will match up with what they sell to consumers, so either the HTC Sensation or the Samsung Galaxy S II is probably on that list.

And there's a fair chance the iPhone 4 is, too.

Anyway. I've been increasingly disenchanted with Google. It started out with their rather boneheaded "real names" policy with Google+, but the way they've handled the fallout from that, the complete lack of transparency, the apparent gagging of dissident employees, and their general failure to be able to deal with "product service" -- remember, we're not the customers, we're the product -- makes me leery of relying on them too much for anything I couldn't do without.

There are other options in search. There are other options in mail. Calendar and contact management is a little hairier, but there are alternatives and there will eventually be more.

There are also other options in mobiles.

An Android handset needs (or at the least very much wants) a Google account. If something goes wrong with that Google account, your phone is basically screwed in a bunch of ways. I'm not sure I'm happy with my phone being tied to an online service such that if I were to have my access withdrawn I'd be facing considerable inconvenience, particularly in a situation where I'm a product rather than a paying customer and the company running that service has a bit of a track record for not knowing how to do the people stuff.

(Hell, if what I hear around the place is true, they have an active disdain for "people stuff" as part of the corporate culture.)

So, I don't know. I might well try for an iPhone 4S/5 or whatever when it comes out. But the Nokia N9 is looking increasingly appealing, even with that whole "DOA" thing going on. It may have a rather limited app ecosystem, but on the other hand Nokia isn't trying to sell me and my data to anyone at all. They're a phone company, not a data-mining advertising firm.

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Date: 2011-08-09 12:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ideological_cuddle
Or, I suppose, the new BlackBerry Torch model announced today (?). They carry the original Torch, so would probably get the upgraded version (eventually). Would have to see one first, though.

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Date: 2011-08-10 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alienghic.livejournal.com
I hope the N9 goes somewhere. I'm also wondering what kind of ecosystem will build up around the android phones with unlocked bootloaders. Stuff like cyanogenmod is a start, but it seems like it might be possible to do meego.

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Date: 2011-08-10 03:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ideological_cuddle
I will be particularly curious to see how the Android app support works out. It's third-party and obviously without any handsets out there for anyone to work on yet it's kind of nebulous, but it does hold out a reasonable prospect for apps even without a native dev community.

Failing this, if Microsoft have sorted out the regional stupids in WP7 then the Nokia WP7 devices may be of interest. To me, anyway.

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Date: 2011-08-11 08:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thorfinn
If you read any of the press releases about the Nokia/Microsoft Windows Phone stuff, it's pretty clear Nokia is very much in charge of the deal - every press release was "press release text by Microsoft PR" followed immediately by "legal disclaimer text by Nokia Legal", the latter was longer than the former and essentially said, "If it doesn't work out, we reserve the right to tell Microsoft to fuck off and die in a hole".

ETA: And the vast majority the press and tech commenters read and commented on the M$ PR text, and completely and utterly ignored the Nokia Legal text which was bigger and had much more teeth...

So if there's a concern about Nokia abandoning non Win7 phones... I wouldn't be all that concerned about it, on that basis alone.

They do, after all, have a pretty big ecosystem and rather good sales channels (which is really what M$ is buying into), and if you just want a phone that works as a phone (and possibly as a 3G<->WiFi Hub), then heaps and heaps of Nokia phones are bloody great at that.

And if you want an iOS device for any particular iOS apps, you don't necessarily need mobile data to be on the device... They're fairly heavily predicated on being in range of WiFi on a frequent basis anyway, and they won't care what's providing the WiFi.
Edited Date: 2011-08-11 08:19 am (UTC)

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Date: 2011-08-11 08:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ideological_cuddle
A cause for some concern though is that the N9 will only be available in limited markets. No US or UK. I would expect there to be a consequent lack of native apps.

But yeah, I find that mostly I just use my phone as a phone plus a bit of web stuff and maps on the go. The N9 may well prove sufficient even with limited app support.

(And I have an iPad 2 3G anyway...)

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Date: 2011-08-11 08:41 am (UTC)
thorfinn: <user name="seedy_girl"> and <user name="thorfinn"> (Default)
From: [personal profile] thorfinn
Having used the Nokia OVI maps navigator thing on an E72... it was rather good. About equivalent to the real Tom Tom that my mother had.

And yeah, if you have an iPad 2 3G and normally carry it around with you, then you probably really don't need apps on your phone for the most part.

I like my iPhone 4 a lot, obviously, but I carry a laptop to and from work and that's way too awkward to pull out on a train or tram.

ETA: ISTR there was some possibility of on call with the new orkplace too. If that's anything like what I was doing at AAPT, I enjoyed it much much better when my on call phone was a non-smart Nokia, because if I needed to spend several hours yelling at other monkeys to get shit done from my phone, I didn't have to plug it in. I would not have liked my iPhone for that (aside from the fact it's my personal device not work supplied), and I really really didn't like the HTC thing they forced upon me which was so bad I've mentally blocked the name of it. Older than the Desire. They supplied me the E72 as a "temporary" work phone and I told them they couldn't have it back. :-)
Edited Date: 2011-08-11 08:58 am (UTC)

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Date: 2011-08-11 10:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ideological_cuddle
My problem with most of the older Nokias is that the web browser is particularly awful and the screens are rather tiny. I had an E71 for a year or two and that was good for what it was, but not awesome with my crappy vision.

Newer Nokias, no idea, though I hear battery life on the most recent crop of S60 phones isn't so great compared to the old days.

There's on-call, though it's less onerous than AAPT would have been for you: the group is third-line support, and any recurring problem which could be handled lower down is, with scripts/etc produced for anything new.

The deal is that they'll give me a phone, and I can use it for "moderate" personal use. It may effectively become my personal phone. The range of options is apparently pretty wide, though I don't know exactly what's on the list.

If nothing particularly nice is on the list then I may well go with a more basic Symbian device for work and maintain something nicer for personal use. Let's see what happens.

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Date: 2011-08-11 11:53 pm (UTC)
thorfinn: <user name="seedy_girl"> and <user name="thorfinn"> (Default)
From: [personal profile] thorfinn
*nod* I wouldn't use a web browser on the older Nokias to do anything - presumably if I was carrying around an iPad I'd be pulling that out instead?

I guess the thing about battery life also does depend on whether you're commonly in range of power or not. I tended to go out and about to random places with no power points whilst still on call, so that was fairly important if I might have to spend hours on the phone.

And yeah, at AAPT whilst we were technically "tier 3", we were effectively "tier 1.5".

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Date: 2011-08-12 12:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ideological_cuddle
There are a few use-cases -- which are fairly common for me -- where the iPad isn't really the right choice. Checking to see when the next tram will be along while I'm standing in the middle of the road, for example. Or using the maps tool to figure out where I'm going while out and about.

The iPad is great if you're sitting somewhere, but it's a lot more hassle to pull it out of one's bag and poke at it while standing somewhere busy than it is to just grab the phone from your pocket. And I still kind of feel like doing that puts a big "mug this guy!" target on me, too.

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Date: 2011-08-12 12:10 am (UTC)
thorfinn: <user name="seedy_girl"> and <user name="thorfinn"> (Default)
From: [personal profile] thorfinn
Oh right. :-)

Tramtracker works over SMS, but yeah, it's a bit crappier than pulling out TramHunter or the iOS TramTracker app. I must admit I didn't try the OVI Navigator for walking, but I imagine it should work...

And yeah, I take your point about the iPad - it's too big to just pull out randomly on a street corner.

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Date: 2011-08-12 12:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ideological_cuddle
I don't usually use Google Maps on my mobile to plot a path so much as to figure out where the hell I am. :)

Or, in Boston, where the hell the T stations are. Some of those are damn-near hidden, and you have to get the right entrance to the station or you won't be able to get to the platform you need. It's kind of special...

Walking directions are usually not so hot, don't take into account minor details like the lack of a sidewalk!

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Date: 2011-08-12 12:25 am (UTC)
thorfinn: <user name="seedy_girl"> and <user name="thorfinn"> (Default)
From: [personal profile] thorfinn
Heh. Yeah. The OVI maps are definitely great for cars in terms of having great street names and very good road shape data, but I guess they don't have things like important local landmarks etc.

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